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30/03/2006 10:27:51   Senor Burt   I'm sure there must be a more powerful and interesting engine you could fit in there. How about an Impreza drivetrain or a VW V6? As long as it's a fairly light, short or low engine it shouldn't upset the handling too much.  
30/03/2006 10:27:57   Senor Burt    
30/03/2006 12:31:42   julian   Senor, just trying to stimulate some conversation and ideas. I agree , the beetle engine is a bit flat (excuse the pun), but it does have a certain charm. The handling is the most important thing on a v4, due to its up-front weight forward bias. Has anyone fitted a Capri 3 litre v6 Essex unit? Did it work out? Or even a pinto 2 litre?  
30/03/2006 16:04:50   Senor Burt   Essex V6 won't fit and was a bit rubbish too, like the Essex V4, 2.8 Cologne V6 will bolt straight up the gearbox, but screws up the handling as it is very heavy. A Pinto is even longer, so no doubt the same will apply. Both seem pretty pointless really. As a standard Beetle engine only produced 50HP according to a bit of Googling (less than the V4) that would seem pretty pointless too.  
30/03/2006 18:19:12   Tom   well u can tune a vw to 450bhp fairly easily if u have the cash. but i would think an impreza would be the best. The zetec i am fitting in the engine bay only just fits. Its so close its untrue!  
31/03/2006 08:25:58   Paul   If there's room for another cylinder in length you could fit in an air cooled porsche flat six. That would be interesting... ;)
31/03/2006 08:36:52   julian   Porsche.....sounds interesting. Anyone ever fitted a 900 or 9000 2L turbo engine?  
31/03/2006 09:28:29   john wyatt   How about a diesel motor that could also run on vegetable oil, I am sure if SAAB was still Swedish owned and building small cars they would be working along these lines.  
31/03/2006 12:09:14   Senor Burt   There's a couple of 96's with 16v turbo engines. Again it's a pretty heavy engine.

Porsche flat 6 would be good. Will they bolt up easily to a VW gearbox?

Apparently the beetle gearbox is good for 150HP.

I'd be interested to see how you can tune a 1600 VW engine to 450bhp and make it last much beyond the end of a 1/4 mile drag strip.  
31/03/2006 15:17:49   jake   what about a fiat/lancia twin cam whith twin forties i'm sure they came in varios or alfa romeo unit  
31/03/2006 17:53:59   Senor Burt   Also in Fiat Supermiafiori, same shape as an old Lada. My mum used to have one when I was a kid. I never realised what a beast it was the way she drove it.  
31/03/2006 23:53:01   Julian   I am more tempted to opt for a tuned (100bhp...ish) air cooled 1500cc flat engine, Ideally in the front if it's possible. It,s small enough and has a really low centre of gravity. Handling would surely not be a problem. Not sure if it's possible to reverse the drive (diff) through the gearbox though. I would be surprised if Somebody hasn't already had a dabble at this in the past.  
01/04/2006 10:02:50   Al   Problem with using an in-line 4 like the Fiat Twink is the length of the block (plus the gearbox to block adapter) will push the weight forward, just like a V6. At least with a C900 lump (8v or 16v) the weight is more or less over the gearbox and not so far in front of the axle line, so the weight distribution front to rear isn't so bad, if anything it can actually improve.  
02/04/2006 15:45:19   Tom   well to tune a vw engine to 450bhp u pretty much have to replace every bit of the engine! hence why its expensive. the flat 4 or 6 idea does sound good, i would go with a subarau engine tho as these are nice engines. will a boxer engine fit in the engine bay tho? they are pretty wide. I will be struggling with my zetec at some point. There is very little clearance.  
03/04/2006 20:33:50   Julian   Food for thought.......The Subaru 2 litre lump is 30 inches wide because its a flat 4, It's 24 inches high, and 18 inches from bellhousing flange to front pulley.

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