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Woody
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 25 Aug 2008 :  20:53:38 Show Profile Reply with Quote
James, the wing screws were new from Saab in 1974, when I installed new front wings after a roll in Clipstone forest. They were painted over in indian yellow and then I removed the paint and lightly polished them. The nickel washers don't keep their finish for long. Bought more screws from Beechdale Saab in the 80's and they have a gilt appearance though some are silvery. I haven't seen comparable screws in modern cars with torx head.



Two steps forward and one step back.... The heater housing is out now and the valve dismantled. There is only a slight dribble at the centre hole but the valve leaks more where the prongs are crimped onto the plate. Hasn't been used since 1981.




I call it the Troll as the trolls used to get up to mischief when they came out of the woods. May be my Troll will get up to mischief when it's finished. The project started in November 1983, so it has been on and off for 25 years!!

Edited by - Woody on 25 Aug 2008 21:15:43
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James Ranaldi
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United Kingdom
1350 Posts

Posted - 25 Aug 2008 :  23:21:19 Show Profile Reply with Quote
Hi Woody,

thanks for the information.

1974 !!! The year I was married !!

No chance of finding them then.

Cheers

James
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UK_Sub
Moderator

United Kingdom
2103 Posts

Posted - 26 Aug 2008 :  19:28:02 Show Profile Reply with Quote
James, don't know if this would be helpful, but I freshened up some spare wing bolts by putting them in a jar of vinegar, which dissolved the rust, they just needed cleaning with some wire wool (but a wire brush on a drill would do a more thorough job).

This picture shows the bolt on the left having being 'dipped' (it gets surface rust in contact with air), and the one on the right is the cleaned up (3 months ago) version . . .

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UK_Sub
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United Kingdom
2103 Posts

Posted - 26 Aug 2008 :  19:31:18 Show Profile Reply with Quote
Woody, I started a post about my duff valve awhile back

http://www.saab-v4.co.uk/speedball/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=920&SearchTerms=heater,valve

I think Graham MacDonald still fixes them for about 42, I didn't get mine fixed and have been running her without one.
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Woody
V4 Guru

United Kingdom
2373 Posts

Posted - 26 Aug 2008 :  20:43:02 Show Profile Reply with Quote
Yes, I shall reactivate it..
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Derek
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 26 Aug 2008 :  21:19:54 Show Profile Reply with Quote
Although they are equally hard to find, but are available new, the heater valve for the Volvo Amazon can be used if you turn the copper tubing through 90. By carefully unbending the tabs and pulling it off, it can be refitted in the Saab position.
The Volvo one says "Ranco type H" on the side. What does it say on the Saab one?
There is a Vauxhall one, "Type H16" which is the same as the Volvo one except that the valve lever is different and there is no clamp for the cable. The valve seal should be the same so worth picking up at a jumble if cheap. Less than 42 by the sound of it New Volvo ones about 80
Woody. How long did it take you to take the heater box off? Thinking about how long it would take to turn round a repaint.
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Woody
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United Kingdom
2373 Posts

Posted - 26 Aug 2008 :  22:29:59 Show Profile Reply with Quote
The Saab one also states Ranco Type H. Have you got a pic of a Volvo one Derek? I had forgotten that the Amazon has a similar shaped heater housing. I believe the fan motor and mounting plate is the same as the V4's.

Less than an hour to remove. Remove fan lx connections. Remove carpets and padding, drain system & disconnect hoses and the hot/cold cable at the valve end then four screws and tabs at the air duct, release fresh air ducting and then 4 11mm nuts on inside which hold the housing.
Hope I haven't missed anything. Oh unhook reverse switch cable from spring holder on heater valve shroud.

Edited by - Woody on 26 Aug 2008 22:49:44
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James Ranaldi
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United Kingdom
1350 Posts

Posted - 26 Aug 2008 :  23:14:44 Show Profile Reply with Quote
Thanks UK_SUB,

I'll try to clean them up (if I can get them out !!) as suggested.

Cheers

James
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James Ranaldi
V4 Guru

United Kingdom
1350 Posts

Posted - 31 Aug 2008 :  21:15:59 Show Profile Reply with Quote
Hi Woody,

Don't know if you are still needing a front box for your exhaust. ?

I have located one which I removed from a 95.

It looks ok (I can send pictures if you are interested ).

You can have it for nowt ( just cover postage ) if it is any use.

Cheers

James
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Woody
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United Kingdom
2373 Posts

Posted - 31 Aug 2008 :  23:18:21 Show Profile Reply with Quote
You're a star. Yes I would like to see pics please. Haven't done anything with it yet. Last resort is to drop it and weld a box around the existing box.

Edited by - Woody on 31 Aug 2008 23:21:05
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James Ranaldi
V4 Guru

United Kingdom
1350 Posts

Posted - 01 Sep 2008 :  23:42:06 Show Profile Reply with Quote
Hi Woody....just opened your reply.

I will try to send pictures tomorrow.

Cheers

James
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Woody
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United Kingdom
2373 Posts

Posted - 01 Sep 2008 :  23:55:04 Show Profile Reply with Quote
Thanks James, looking forward to seeing them.
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James Ranaldi
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United Kingdom
1350 Posts

Posted - 02 Sep 2008 :  21:37:07 Show Profile Reply with Quote
Hi Woody,

I have been fighting with the technology but hopefully you should now have access to pictures via photobucket which have been sent to your personal e-mail account.

Cheers

James
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Woody
V4 Guru

United Kingdom
2373 Posts

Posted - 03 Sep 2008 :  00:18:04 Show Profile Reply with Quote
Hi James,
You have a PM, thanks.
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David Barrow
V4 Beginner

52 Posts

Posted - 06 Sep 2008 :  08:39:48 Show Profile Reply with Quote
I may be able to shed some light on the wing screws. The part number was originally 7168339, this was the same for all the 96/95 models including two-stroke, the number was then superceeded by 7119845 and is, as far as i know still available from Saab, probably in packs of around 10, just like in Woody's above photo and are around 40p each. However, although the part number is superceeded, the actual part has also changed to a torx type screw, some people will argue that a torx screw was not the original fitment.....true, but it is the manufacturers replacement, so it could also be argued that it is the correct part, i suppose all of this depends on how original you want your car to be. OK, i am now entering into level one anorak mode, you have been warned.....The two-stroke wing screws and possibly the very early V4's had a completely domed wing screw head, the V4 wing screw had a flat section on top of the screw where your screwdriver fits, you can see this in the photo of the two wing screws. So there you have it, the life and times of a Saab wing screw
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