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jdt
V4 Fanatic

United Kingdom
340 Posts

Posted - 25 Jan 2010 :  22:36:26 Show Profile Reply with Quote
Follow the procedure in the Haynes manual

Rule of 9 does not work on the V4 engine

I am concerned about the oil your engine is blowing - the breather system will not cure a fundamental engie problem - i would do a proper compression test and cylinder leakage test to find out if the engine is in good health

I have a lot of used engine parts if you need any
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pchristy
V4 Guru

United Kingdom
1790 Posts

Posted - 26 Jan 2010 :  12:28:24 Show Profile Reply with Quote
From the pukka SAAB manual:



The only thing I would add to that is to use a T-bar and socket to adjust, rather than a spanner!

The adjusters are self locking, and using a spanner puts considerable sideways load on them. Its much easier with a T-bar!

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Pete
"Duct tape is like the Force: It has a light side and a dark side, and it binds the Universe together!"
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pchristy
V4 Guru

United Kingdom
1790 Posts

Posted - 26 Jan 2010 :  12:31:09 Show Profile Reply with Quote
Ooops - lets try it in higher resolution! (Easier to read!)





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scallyrally
V4 Beginner

85 Posts

Posted - 05 Feb 2010 :  15:48:12 Show Profile Reply with Quote
Rocker covers off loads of sludge inside covers - so cleaned up and adjusted tappets - they were all about right anyway

- Still blowing oil out of dipstick and have noticed that the coolant bottle is bubbling and the level in coolant bottle rises and falls

guessing head gaskets?

will get compression test done and cylinder leakage test to confirm

Engine in my beige 95 was running ok 2 years ago so I think its and engine swap time - just have to get myself an engine crane or block and tackle and rig up some kind of over car gantry - It will be First time i've taken and engine out so should be fun!
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UK_Sub
V4 Guru

United Kingdom
2555 Posts

Posted - 05 Feb 2010 :  16:27:30 Show Profile Reply with Quote
White sludge in rocker covers would suggest a cylinder head leak - wouldn't replacing the gasket be worth a try first?

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scallyrally
V4 Beginner

85 Posts

Posted - 05 Feb 2010 :  17:19:40 Show Profile Reply with Quote
It was black sludge - a good few mm thick
Ive got know other indicators of head gasket ie white sludge or overheating - just the oil spiting out of dipstick all over the starter motor

I just thought as i got a known good engine it would be easier to transplant then with the engine out i can slowly strip down and find the cause of the oil
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Derek
V4 Guru

United Kingdom
2187 Posts

Posted - 05 Feb 2010 :  19:05:35 Show Profile Reply with Quote
Off the wall suggestion re your oil problem. Compare the 2 dipsticks, don't mix them up, and see if they are the same. You might just have the wrong one in this engine which might have marks that mean you overfill it.
The water will rise and fall in the bottle, that's why it's called an expansion bottle. It might bubble/boil in there if the cap doesn't seal properly. Mine did that due to the top of the bottle being distorted. Changed the bottle and cured the problem.
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UK_Sub
V4 Guru

United Kingdom
2555 Posts

Posted - 05 Feb 2010 :  19:11:32 Show Profile Reply with Quote
You know how to make your point Derek
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Derek
V4 Guru

United Kingdom
2187 Posts

Posted - 05 Feb 2010 :  19:15:45 Show Profile Reply with Quote
Both times I posted it I got a server error so I gave up. Came back to find both of them on the thread. 1 now deleted, even had to have 2 goes at that.

This one didn't appear normally. Had to go and open another thread, came back and it was there OK. this is the error I got.

Server object error 'ASP 0177 : 800401f3'

Server.CreateObject Failed

/speedball/inc_mail.asp, line 55

800401f3

I expect I'll get the same message when I post this edit...............
No, I didn't!

Edited by - Derek on 05 Feb 2010 19:20:16
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UK_Sub
V4 Guru

United Kingdom
2555 Posts

Posted - 05 Feb 2010 :  22:25:02 Show Profile Reply with Quote
I got the same message - went away for a bit and now my post is there . . .

slight glitch maybe?
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john wyatt
V4 Guru

United Kingdom
1031 Posts

Posted - 06 Feb 2010 :  10:29:16 Show Profile Reply with Quote
The first car i had I cleaned all the black sludge off the rocker cover insides, didnt half make it noisier!, best to buy/borrow a compression tester befor you do much else and check compression on both engines.
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scallyrally
V4 Beginner

85 Posts

Posted - 24 Mar 2010 :  18:58:33 Show Profile Reply with Quote
Still have not had time to do a compression test yet due to work time restraints :c but have swapped a used PCV valve from other car and it has certainly improved things - I have used the car back and for to work a few times and oil is only now coming out of dipstick after about 1/2 hour driving but temp needle take about 1/2 hour to get anywhere near the middle but if stuck in traffic at idle the needle reaches the red - and goes back down to just under middle when driving again - so i am guessing the heads gaskets ??
I have managed to get my other engine out - and will rebuild one of them as much as I need( will rebuild both eventually but main concerns are to get a working engine for charity rally at end of june) just cant decide which one yet hoping compression test will help with that!! - Couple of questions
Where are new PCV valves available from? my local motor factors were of no help
Both oil dipsticks are the same and both seem quite a loose fit - is this normal?
Are new/ good used dipsticks available?
What temp thermostat do people recommend? or are they all the same?

Cheers!!
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scallyrally
V4 Beginner

85 Posts

Posted - 15 May 2010 :  23:07:41 Show Profile Reply with Quote
Ok I know its been a while but have made some progress!!
Had the pleasure of my uncle - a bus mechanic specializing in engines and gearboxes with of over 40 yrs experience and a classic car enthusiast ( peerless owner) helping me today
The engine in the the carolina blue 95 had such low compression that he was surprised it would even start and run! - so out came the engine nice and easy in a leisurely 30mins. When it came out we found it had a diaphragm clutch and from what Ive ready on here a flywheel to suit with studs etc
The spare engine I had was using a standard flywheel with a F & S clutch - so we decided just to use this as it was. Problems!! We could not get the the engine to line up fully on the gearbox spline - It would go on enough to engage the spline so that it would drive the car but could not get it to slide on the spline enough to mate the engine to the gearbox fully ( anyone had this problem before?) We wondered if maybe the gearbox had been modified in any way to accept the diaphragm clutch? So after taking an old spare gearbox apart to use the spline for a clutch alignment tool we changed over the clutch and flywheel to the diaphragm ones.
No problems at all and this mated up easily on to the gearbox spline :) - So one engine in and left it as that for today as we felt we needed a few welsh ales! So hopefully now tomorrow ( weather depending as we are working outside) I'll connect the rest up and get it started.
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john-saab
Administrator

United Kingdom
2679 Posts

Posted - 16 May 2010 :  08:51:31 Show Profile Reply with Quote
Good progress.
RE the faulty engin..i had the same problems at the same time as you were first posting about it and my engine has now been removed i found that the rear balance shaft bearing was shot and had moved forward..i'm guessing you have a similar problem as mentioned by others earlier!
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pchristy
V4 Guru

United Kingdom
1790 Posts

Posted - 16 May 2010 :  08:51:49 Show Profile Reply with Quote
The clutch release bearing is also different on a diaphragm clutch! It appears to be considerably "thicker" (for want of a better way of describing it)!

I would guess this was what was preventing your gearbox from going fully home.

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