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rsimps
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Posted - 20 Jan 2010 :  16:32:42 Show Profile Reply with Quote
I am trying to get a list off all the mod's use in period by the works and private rally drivers, so off you go Woody.....
I noticed some wheel scrapers on one of your photo's. Also wheel widths, did Saab make some you couldnt get hold of?

Basically there is no point going over the stuff in the sport and rally book, its more the bits that are not that we need to record.

Woody
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Posted - 20 Jan 2010 :  18:21:31 Show Profile Reply with Quote
wheel scrapers??
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rsimps
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Posted - 21 Jan 2010 :  12:08:43 Show Profile Reply with Quote
Ok it was a photo of 74 team car, not woodies and it has some sort of bracket up the front of the hub/upright on the suspension???
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Woody
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Posted - 21 Jan 2010 :  19:03:05 Show Profile Reply with Quote
Brake cooling Air Scoops - started use in 1972 instead of bending in the standard dust shield. Mounted to the forward bolts of hub each side. Ist pic is Alistair Robertson's car May 1975. Last pic is contemporary as it is on PA57006 owned by Andro Alto.


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john-saab
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Posted - 21 Jan 2010 :  22:20:44 Show Profile Reply with Quote
Did they work or did they just funnel water/mud/stones into the calipers?
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rsimps
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Posted - 22 Jan 2010 :  08:03:44 Show Profile Reply with Quote
Thanks Woody.

You couldnt post the add/article for the CT inlet manifold on here so we can have a read? There was an article demostrating it was available in 1967. The missing step is finding someone that used it in a rally. This would open up twin webers to the early cat 1 cars in historic rallying in the uk. I will keep on searching, but I guess it would be a club driver/ non-works driver that might of used one in grp6 class. I need to get on with this before the generation that might of used it is lost.
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Woody
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Posted - 22 Jan 2010 :  20:24:29 Show Profile Reply with Quote


and the link to the article in bengt's nostalgica:-
http://www.akesson-motorsport.se/nostalgia/index.html
a shot of a car with early type air filter assys before they started using the long barrel body and Saab 99 paper filters circa 1970/1:

some pics of my C&T set back in 1974 which subsequently went to Dave Clibbery.


Edited by - Woody on 29 Jan 2010 20:59:17
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Woody
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Posted - 22 Jan 2010 :  21:02:23 Show Profile Reply with Quote
What about approaching Alistair Robertson in Kirkcaldy or Jack Tordoff of JCT600? They are still around I believe. Alistair had works type cars 1969+ and two strokes previously. Richard Vigoroux-Henday??
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rsimps
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Posted - 25 Jan 2010 :  18:22:27 Show Profile Reply with Quote
You see I carnt remember seeing that alloy pulley in the S & R.
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rsimps
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Posted - 25 Jan 2010 :  19:18:58 Show Profile Reply with Quote
anyway following on from this I found http://forums.autosport.com/index.php?showtopic=97208 which if you look at the entry the Saabs run in class 7 which seems to be prototype again ie 1740cc spec. This makes my case even stronger than the 67 RAC prototype cars.
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Woody
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Posted - 25 Jan 2010 :  21:21:57 Show Profile Reply with Quote
Good link, Richard. Good bit of film too, shame it didn't have any sound.
Looking at the entry list only Erik and Pat were in class 7, the rest of the V4's being in class 3. As you suggest did they have 1740's and what induction system were they using? When for example did they play around with the double Solex or DCNF carburettor setups, prior to homologating the four bolt manifold.



I have been looking at the FIA regs for 1967 and 1969 and it is interesting what they say about carburettors and inlet manifolds... You can also see why the 1531 and 1740 engines came about due to the over-boring limits...

http://www.sovren.org/competition/rules/fia/FIA%201967%20Appendix%20J.html
http://www.sovren.org/competition/rules/fia/FIA%201969%20Appendix%20J.html

I have been trying to find the 1971 equivalent which enabled saab to use the twin 45 manifold and which does not get mentioned in the official FIA papers especially in Grp 2.

Edited by - Woody on 25 Jan 2010 21:36:09
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Woody
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Posted - 25 Jan 2010 :  21:35:03 Show Profile Reply with Quote
rsimps wrote:
"You see I carnt remember seeing that alloy pulley in the S & R."
Do you mean this by Strom?


and the man himself:..

Note reinforcing welding to engine mounts:-
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Woody
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Posted - 25 Jan 2010 :  21:59:13 Show Profile Reply with Quote
Here is another mod which is not mentioned in the SSR manual. It was alluded to in an article by John Davenport in Autosport after He and Simo Lampinen rolled on the 1000 lakes rally when the freewheel selector which was standard and plastic melted thus requiring Simo to use his left foot for clutch/gear changes instead of left foot braking. They subsequently installed this device which I understand was used on two strokes and is cast. The item shown I acquired at an SOC jumble and the inset of same installed on ETK 909 in the museum..
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Woody
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Posted - 25 Jan 2010 :  22:14:09 Show Profile Reply with Quote
I am naturally waiting with baited breath for the arrival of the new Rally Giants book by Graham Robson in April 2010 to see what gems he has uncovered. Would love to see an advance copy..
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john wyatt
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Posted - 25 Jan 2010 :  23:06:18 Show Profile Reply with Quote
I asked Richard Vigouroux Henday tonight on when he thinks the crossover manifold was first used, he recieved one of the first available customer sets and puts this between mid 71 and early 72, he did say I was welcome to put Richard in touch but he thought he was on a hiding to nothing on this on, would be great if something can be turned up.
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rsimps
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Posted - 26 Jan 2010 :  07:49:39 Show Profile Reply with Quote
Its not the saab item, its the ct. David Clibbery had an ad for the ct dating it before the Saab item. There is another picture somewhere of the a ct manifold sat on a bench in the background at Saab when they were developing their twin set up. I think i need to make a call to David again and see if he or the new owner has the article. The Saab item was availible around 1971, but if you read Woodies article and minus over two years off the 71 date as ct state, you get the date at least as a min 1969 depending when the item was first sold.
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