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melle
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Posted - 24 Apr 2010 :  23:20:49 Show Profile Visit melle's Homepage Reply with Quote
Are there any 95V4 delivery vans known on this forum, in the UK as well as in the rest of the world? There's a chap on the Dutch Saabforum who says he has a one for sale and he wants to know what a good asking price would be. I haven't seen pictures yet, but I doubt it's original. I guess that original 95V4 panel vans, if they exist, are extremely rare. The only 95 vans that I know of, are strokers.


I actually have a project '77 95V4 that I'm planning to convert into a van, either a panel van or a box van (a 96 probably would be better for this conversion), not sure yet. Hope to see his car soon, to take some pictures.

Any info or pictures on any Saab van welcome!

1970 Saab 96V4
1974 Saab 95V4
1977 Saab 95V4

Edited by - melle on 18 Mar 2012 17:22:12

UK_Sub
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 25 Apr 2010 :  18:55:16 Show Profile Reply with Quote
Nick Senecal (Saab V4 Restoration Co.) used to have a V4 panel van - rhd too! Not sure of it's origins though, the original strokers were parts delivery vans, I think there were 3 of them, so they may have updated them in the 70's?

Some more pics for you...





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melle
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 25 Apr 2010 :  22:32:37 Show Profile Visit melle's Homepage Reply with Quote
Thanks for the pics, it's the same car as in my post, and probably the only 95 stroker van left. Still no sign of a van with the 'new' front with square headlights. The 'seller' on the Dutch forum has kept his mouth shut after his first post, hope it's not a hoax!

1970 Saab 96V4 "The Devil's Own V4"
1974 Saab 95V4
1977 Saab 95V4 van project
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Derek
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 26 Apr 2010 :  00:53:47 Show Profile Reply with Quote
I saw a van on a stall at Beaulieu a few years ago. I could only see the back, it was part of the stall. Several different panel colours and I didn't see the front but that might have been Nick's. Danish Post Office might have been mentioned. The grey van was for sale there on the Automart, probably not the same year, I have a few pics of it there if anyone wants them. From memory, about £9k, but I don't think it sold then. If you are on the Yahoo vSAAB forum, the van pics are in a folder there.
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melle
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 27 Apr 2010 :  13:29:39 Show Profile Visit melle's Homepage Reply with Quote
Now we're talking:





The news is, that it's a 1970 RHD ORIGINAL Van and it's for sale! Chassis number is 95082613. I can pm contact details of the German seller, who speaks English. He's also got 7 more 95's and 21 other Saabs for sale. That's what we call a goldmine.
I still plan to convert my '77 into a '1970' van, because I can't afford an original van I'm afraid.

1970 Saab 96V4 "The Devil's Own V4"
1974 Saab 95V4
1977 Saab 95V4 van conversion project
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Derek
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 27 Apr 2010 :  19:26:29 Show Profile Reply with Quote
I might have got it wrong about the colours but the first shot of it even looks as if it's in the same position that I saw it, right at the top of the sloping field which is the furthest away from the entrance. Way back it used to be the motor cycle field.
For the one pictured the DVLA says Date of Liability 01 03 2003 and it could have been at least that far back when I saw "the one I saw".
Good luck with it.
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melle
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 16 Jun 2010 :  20:02:01 Show Profile Visit melle's Homepage Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by melle
There's a chap on the Dutch Saabforum who says he has a one for sale
It turns out to be a van with side windows, also still quite rare and never originally sold on the Dutch market (it was imported from Sweden in 1996).
According to this guy it's now fully restored. More (recent) pictures soon. See also: http://www.saabforum.nl/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=77873 and http://www.saabforum.nl/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=77978 and practice your Dutch.

1970 Saab 96V4 "The Devil's Own V4"
1974 Saab 95V4
1977 Saab 95V4 van conversion project
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UK_Sub
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Posted - 16 Jun 2010 :  21:57:25 Show Profile Reply with Quote
Not being funny, but that just looks like a normal Estate, how can you tell it's a van!?!

Although looking at the website, you can see the floor extends over the back seat area and there's a wooden panel behind the front seats, although I'm guessing it would be pretty easy to change an Estate to look like this?

Edited by - UK_Sub on 16 Jun 2010 22:02:31
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melle
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 16 Jun 2010 :  22:12:22 Show Profile Visit melle's Homepage Reply with Quote
The guy's emailed the Saab Museum, according to the VIN they could tell him it was originally registered as a van in Sweden. Wooden floor is exactly the same as those in the panel van versions. You can flip the first bit of flooring up, flip the wooden panel behind the front seats over, and that makes a wooden rear seat (pretty clever design). Max. load capacity is 760 kgs, rims are 5J. Swedish registration card also states it as a van. Hope to collect more details on the car and on 95V4 vans in general.

1970 Saab 96V4 "The Devil's Own V4"
1974 Saab 95V4
1977 Saab 95V4 van conversion project
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Derek
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Posted - 17 Jun 2010 :  11:41:17 Show Profile Reply with Quote
In Finland there is/was a tax class called "Paketbil" (see the document posted). There is/was a similar class in Sweden. If the rear seats are permanently removed and a safety bar or bulkhead fitted behind the front seats it becomes a delivery vehicle and qualifies for cheaper tax. I've seen an Amazon Estate that was imported here from Finland done like this. The Duett, with side windows, and the 145 Express could also be ordered fitted out that way. Not too difficult to modify a standard estate to this spec. The working weight numbers on the drivers door show that it's registered as a commercial. My recently sold ex Finland Duett Van also had these numbers on.
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melle
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 17 Jun 2010 :  12:26:53 Show Profile Visit melle's Homepage Reply with Quote
In The Netherlands there was a similar tax-advantage system, although the rear side windows also had to be blinded (a curtain would do).
I guess only a couple of 95V4 vans/ 'paketbils' were launched on only a few markets (mainly in Scandinavia).

Strange thing is that both the panel van and this 'paketbil' have a max. load capacity of 760 kgs, whilst the panel van has a strengthened body, heavier rear axle, rally gearbox, rally rims etc.

I'm going to send the Saab Museum in Trollhättan an email on the subject, since all the vans that have been showing up recently have made me even more curious.

1970 Saab 96V4 "The Devil's Own V4"
1974 Saab 95V4
1977 Saab 95V4 van conversion project
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melle
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 17 Jun 2010 :  13:09:59 Show Profile Visit melle's Homepage Reply with Quote
Email sent! Hope to receive some info from Trollhättan shortly, I'll probably compile a downloadable booklet from it. I believe not so much is known about these vans. I've always had a special interest in commercial vehicles, when these vehicles are Saabs, they're even more interesting.

1970 Saab 96V4 "The Devil's Own V4"
1974 Saab 95V4
1977 Saab 95V4 van conversion project
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Derek
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 17 Jun 2010 :  16:45:32 Show Profile Reply with Quote
Surprisingly my Duett was reg for less payload.
Sorry about the big pic.

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melle
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 17 Jun 2010 :  17:10:52 Show Profile Visit melle's Homepage Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Derek
Surprisingly my Duett was reg for less payload.
That's because it's a Volvo. Sorry, just kidding.

Amazing cars, Duetts, would love to have one. I really like the 'work horse' condition yours is/ was in.

1970 Saab 96V4 "The Devil's Own V4"
1974 Saab 95V4
1977 Saab 95V4 van conversion project
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UK_Sub
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Posted - 17 Jun 2010 :  23:03:04 Show Profile Reply with Quote
That is a cool looking truck! I only saw it with it's nose peaking out of the garage - it looks even bigger out of the box!
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Derek
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 17 Jun 2010 :  23:53:28 Show Profile Reply with Quote
Yes, it's sitting blinking in the sunlight there, first time out of the garage for at least 10 years. I gave it a quick rub down with a dustpan brush. It's now been stripped right down with all panels removed and the body lifted off the chassis. I'll have to go and have a look sometime. If it ends up close to the standard that the owner rebuilt his Amazon to, it would look fine in the Volvo museum.
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