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x96
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France
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Posted - 16 Apr 2012 :  18:32:59 Show Profile Visit x96's Homepage Reply with Quote
Another strange point is the bottom gasket. I've found this mounted under the carb:


But in the 96 interior waste paper bin I've found this:


It has less holes and I don't know why but suspects me that it is the original one. what do you think?
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Woody
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Posted - 16 Apr 2012 :  19:46:35 Show Profile Reply with Quote
I suspect that the bottom gasket fitted between the base of carburettor and the intermediate plate, and the top gasket was for one side of the sealing spacer (item 8 in the parts page). It does however appear to missing two holes in the centre.
The sealing spacer appears to be breaking up per your pics above. Is it plastic?
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x96
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France
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Posted - 17 Apr 2012 :  15:49:04 Show Profile Visit x96's Homepage Reply with Quote
You're right Woody, the gasket is the same that goes with the intermediate item 8:

But as it can be seen in the photo the thicker gasket has holes in the middle, the thinner hasn't. Are they incorrect?.
The thick gasket is not plastic, something similiar to cardboard well pressed.

Another photo showing the curved carb.


The carb seen from the intermediate bottom
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x96
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France
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Posted - 17 Apr 2012 :  16:02:10 Show Profile Visit x96's Homepage Reply with Quote
I've found this seller with a rubber appropiate for carbs but he doesn't post to Spain.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/120869131985?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649#ht_1721wt_972

Any idea where to buy?

This other sells the thin paper gasket but not the thick one:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/5-Pack-Ass-Gasket-Paper-Material-12-x-6-Punch-Set-/180851185059?_trksid=p4340.m185&_trkparms=algo%3DDLSL%252BSIC.NPJS%26its%3DI%26itu%3DUCI%252BUA%26otn%3D10%26pmod%3D180804166275%252B180804166275%26po%3D%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D7785881180276711138#ht_791wt_932
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melle
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 17 Apr 2012 :  17:03:58 Show Profile Visit melle's Homepage Reply with Quote
Those are the original gaskets! The one pictured with the fewest holes indeed goes between the vacuum intermediate plate and the bottom part of the carb. Between the intermediate plate and the manifold should be a metal gasket (OK to be replaced with a slightly thicker paper gasket, you won't find new metal ones).
All decent motor factors should be able to provide DIY gasket sheets. From time to time cheap overhaul kits for Pierburg 32/35 DIDTA carbs. (Audi 80/ 100) turn up on eBay. Not all parts are usable (you'll have to reproduce the lid gasket yourself and the acceleration membrane's axle has to be machined), but as a bonus you'll get fresh jets and more importantly a fresh needle.
Don't forget to smear some liquid gasket on all faces of the gaskets!

Check the gas valves' axles for play, they're also suspect for vacuum leaks.

1970 96V4 "The Devil's Own V4"
1977 95V4 van conversion project
1988 900i 8V
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x96
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Posted - 17 Apr 2012 :  21:05:26 Show Profile Visit x96's Homepage Reply with Quote
I'm not sure about remove the intermediate plate, it looks well fitted.

The several gaskets had a bit of silicone sealer, but someone make a mistake interchange the gasket. I will rebuild new ones.
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x96
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France
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Posted - 19 Apr 2012 :  15:26:37 Show Profile Visit x96's Homepage Reply with Quote
I've sanded also the top part of the carb.


And time ago I removed the booster. I don't know if I will notice a big difference in power but it is one thing less prone to fail.
I covered the hole with a hard silicone to avoid vacuum. The small cilinder with the spring was not very well attached to the carb cover.

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melle
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 19 Apr 2012 :  17:13:33 Show Profile Visit melle's Homepage Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by x96
I'm not sure about remove the intermediate plate, it looks well fitted.
I wouldn't take the risk of vacuum leaks now you've taken the pressure off. I'd take it off and either reuse the metal gasket (if still in place) with a bit of liquid gasket or otherwise replace it with a paper gasket and some liquid sealer.

1970 96V4 "The Devil's Own V4"
1977 95V4 van conversion project
1988 900i 8V
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x96
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Posted - 19 Apr 2012 :  20:49:24 Show Profile Visit x96's Homepage Reply with Quote
Ok, I will follow your advise, it's true, now that I'm busy fixing the other gasket better to fix all of them.

Would it be related to a suddenly lack of vacumm on the brakes? It happen when the car stalls, one second later the brake pedal is hard and the vacumm help is lost. I checked the valve on the hose that goes to the servo and it seems correct.(closes in one direction)
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x96
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France
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Posted - 19 Apr 2012 :  20:57:04 Show Profile Visit x96's Homepage Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by melle
From time to time cheap overhaul kits for Pierburg 32/35 DIDTA carbs. (Audi 80/ 100) turn up on eBay. Not all parts are usable (you'll have to reproduce the lid gasket yourself and the acceleration membrane's axle has to be machined), but as a bonus you'll get fresh jets and more importantly a fresh needle.
Don't forget to smear some liquid gasket on all faces of the gaskets!

Check the gas valves' axles for play, they're also suspect for vacuum leaks.




How do Iknow that I need a fresh needle (what is that? the bottom needle that makes idle?)or fresh gets?

The carb doesn't look very old, probably the car has the 68.000kms (42.000mi) that shows the clock. Difficult to know in any case.
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melle
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Posted - 19 Apr 2012 :  21:17:52 Show Profile Visit melle's Homepage Reply with Quote
The needle is the valve that regulates the inflow of fuel into the float chamber, it's operated by the float. Part no. 74:



The needle wears by its constant movement and in the end will close off poorly, causing the float chamber to overfill and by effect the engine to run poorly.

1970 96V4 "The Devil's Own V4"
1977 95V4 van conversion project
1988 900i 8V
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x96
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France
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Posted - 08 May 2012 :  16:12:00 Show Profile Visit x96's Homepage Reply with Quote
I think that the needle closes correctly. It closes easily.

Sanding the carb is a very tedious worlk

I've been repairing the thick gasket. Better than to use the new cord gasket

The new gasket
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x96
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France
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Posted - 08 May 2012 :  16:26:28 Show Profile Visit x96's Homepage Reply with Quote

I'm not sure that the position of the vacumm lever of the automatic choke is correct


The vertical lever doesn't touch the spring, is it correct? it just touch the metalic lever of the choke plate.
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x96
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Posted - 09 May 2012 :  09:26:16 Show Profile Visit x96's Homepage Reply with Quote
Here it is a bit clearer



"A" doesn't touch the spring "B".
Actually only touch "C"
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x96
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France
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Posted - 13 May 2012 :  15:22:10 Show Profile Visit x96's Homepage Reply with Quote
Carb fitted and ready for adjusting idle.

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