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ade
V4 Fan

United Kingdom
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Posted - 20 Jan 2013 :  21:41:53 Show Profile Reply with Quote
i'm just putting together my '68 and would really appreciate some help:

the felt/metal seal that sits on the inside at the base of the window opening in the door, the one which has a 45 degree upturn at its forward end: how is this angled portion anchored in place, is there some special clip, as the flange which it sits against has a curled edge

also, the rubber seal that sits on the outside of the window, also with a 45 degree upturn, is that seal just glued in place?

also, tried to fit the parcel shelf: the shelf i have is a black-faced fibre board with 5 holes each side: there are 5 small ledges welded to the body and i have 3 special shaped clips to locate presumable over the central 3 ledges, but when i offer it in place, the forward edge of the shelf barely overlaps the edge of the angle behind the seat: am i missing something?, and should the shelf be trimmed or covered?

many thanks for any assisstance.....Adrian

john-saab
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Posted - 20 Jan 2013 :  21:54:35 Show Profile Reply with Quote
The inner window channel is held in place by a "U" shaped clip.
The outer window "scraper" is fed into a "C" shaped channel...if it hasn't rotted away.
The parcel shelf should have 2 thick rubber trim strips all around the outside of it..they will fill the gap..the part numbers differ depending on the colour of your trim.
I will dig out a few pics unless someone beats me to it.

'72 95 (The Flying Banana),'72 96(Bridget),'73 96 (Vernon),'74 95 (Veronica)

Edited by - john-saab on 20 Jan 2013 22:01:15
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ade
V4 Fan

United Kingdom
171 Posts

Posted - 22 Jan 2013 :  19:34:37 Show Profile Reply with Quote
thanks John, i take it this clip is different to the clips that hold the horizontal portion of the seal to the door?

i can't see the outer rubber seal staying in place unless its glued...my doors have new skins so the channels are ok

is the parcel shelf normally covered in thin foam then vinyl?
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Woody
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 24 Jan 2013 :  21:23:00 Show Profile Reply with Quote
My memory is going. I put new inner strips into the "Trolls" doors as these had new skins. I don't recollect there being a clip for the leading edge near the glass hinge. There is the slightest fold in the door aperture which holds the felt edge as the window is wound up. Its rigidity and slip of the felt stops it from bending as the window is wound down. The strip is retained by 6 u-clips and I can see them through the glass. 12 only are listed in the parts book 6 each side.
The exterior rubber seal was pushed into the u-channel and the channel crimped to retain it. I glued mine with fast-tack adhesive, but use sparingly as it melts the paint. From 1974 12 clips each side were used but the diagram in the parts book is poor. Despite my statement in the link below, I am not sure now what the clips pictured were used for, though I suspect they may be from the door seals for pre-1972 cars which were quite sophisticated.

http://www.saab-v4.co.uk/speedball/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=3055&SearchTerms=weatherseal

With regards to the rear parcel shelf. These were made of fibre weatherboard with the smooth side sprayed black, a satin finish. The 1968/9 deluxe version had a leatherette type cover glued to it. Only a mm thick. Certainly not a sponge cover. There were carpet type covers available that could be placed there.
As you say there were three metal clips with rubber sleeves affixed to the board, rubber sleeve side facing down, and the rubber edging covered the curved side with a staple each end to secure.
The straight side rubber slides on the edge and an opposing lip of the rubber locates on the rear seat support frame.



Edited by - Woody on 24 Jan 2013 21:27:25
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James Ranaldi
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 24 Jan 2013 :  22:44:39 Show Profile Reply with Quote
My '68 V4 ( not deluxe) has a corded carpet with holes matching up with the holes in the shelf.
The carpet is the same as the carpet on the floor. Not sure if this is original. I think that the edges of the carpet are bound .
Car all tucked up in the garage and six inche of snow outside so this is all from memory but I can check this out later if required.

Cheers
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john-saab
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Posted - 25 Jan 2013 :  07:42:25 Show Profile Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by James Ranaldi
My '68 V4 ( not deluxe) has a corded carpet with holes matching up with the holes in the shelf.


That was a genuine dealer optional extra, I have a picture in the "extras" brochure but I have never seen one "in the flesh"..a rare item!


'72 95 (The Flying Banana),'72 96(Bridget),'73 96 (Vernon),'74 95 (Veronica)
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PDickens
V4 Mad

United Kingdom
519 Posts

Posted - 25 Jan 2013 :  16:29:48 Show Profile Visit PDickens's Homepage Reply with Quote


The renovated parcel shelf I fitted - I painted it in matt black polyurethane I think. I also added some noise deadening material on the underside. It came from a scrapped V4 and was in good condition - had some holes in which I enlarged to fit the speakers you can see. I had originally intended to remake it in MDF.

Edited by - PDickens on 25 Jan 2013 16:31:57
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James Ranaldi
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 25 Jan 2013 :  20:14:57 Show Profile Reply with Quote

[/quote]
That was a genuine dealer optional extra, I have a picture in the "extras" brochure but I have never seen one "in the flesh"..a rare item!


Oh no,

I've cut holes for my speakers just like Paul.
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ade
V4 Fan

United Kingdom
171 Posts

Posted - 28 Jan 2013 :  18:21:10 Show Profile Reply with Quote
thanks very much for the comments....i was wondering what those grey plastic trim pieces (over parcel shelf edges) were for! just fitted parcel shelf and decided to leave it in matt black as there was no sign of any trim previously fitted

so, no clip to hold the 3 inch 45 degree angled portion of the felt/metal seal, then?...i'll give it a go and see what happens

i just can't believe the hours i've spent on this car, everything is so fiddly

Saab 900 boot seal to do next on the 96
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Woody
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 28 Jan 2013 :  19:57:31 Show Profile Reply with Quote
Once the clips are slid on the parcel shelf they are kept there by the rubber edging.
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john-saab
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Posted - 28 Jan 2013 :  20:17:59 Show Profile Reply with Quote


'72 95 (The Flying Banana),'72 96(Bridget),'73 96 (Vernon),'74 95 (Veronica)
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James Ranaldi
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United Kingdom
1351 Posts

Posted - 28 Jan 2013 :  20:46:10 Show Profile Reply with Quote
Looks like those mats were specified too
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john-saab
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Posted - 28 Jan 2013 :  21:13:19 Show Profile Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by James Ranaldi
Looks like those mats were specified too


They are for an early 99 (the carpet covers shown are for a LHD car)..i have a set for the early V4 in unused condition...i tried them in the bullnose but the pedals fouled the top of the drivers side..i nearly cut them top fit but changed my mind.



'72 95 (The Flying Banana),'72 96(Bridget),'73 96 (Vernon),'74 95 (Veronica)

Edited by - john-saab on 28 Jan 2013 21:58:02
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James Ranaldi
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 28 Jan 2013 :  22:42:26 Show Profile Reply with Quote
Ah hah !

My car is a 1968 LHD so the mats may be the same. All tucked up in the garage at the moment but I will check later.

Interested in the LHD mats if you are selling John.

Cheers
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Derek
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United Kingdom
1778 Posts

Posted - 29 Jan 2013 :  00:50:54 Show Profile Reply with Quote
Cross my palm with silver(or gold)?

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ade
V4 Fan

United Kingdom
171 Posts

Posted - 29 Jan 2013 :  18:29:28 Show Profile Reply with Quote
another struggle, but got window in, altho had to release latch remote mechanism, but seems to be ok

the rubber strips along the bottom inside of the door are hopeless....the drivers side, which has the c-channel is retained better, unlike the passenger side with no c-channnel which bows out in between the fixing studs....but, they are too old and inflexible, so i've still got big gaps at bottom of door......i assume these strips aren't available?

if not, i might fit Sealmaster SF seals to cill
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