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UK_Sub
V4 Guru

United Kingdom
2555 Posts

Posted - 21 Jan 2022 :  14:19:40 Show Profile Reply with Quote
Anyone know what kit I need to order?

The Saab V4 isn't listed on thier site.

melle
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 21 Jan 2022 :  14:38:34 Show Profile Reply with Quote
According to the cross refernce overview you need kit 16: http://www.saab-v4.co.uk/speedball/topic.asp?topic_id=16498

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UK_Sub
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 24 Jan 2022 :  14:34:36 Show Profile Reply with Quote
Thank you Melle!

I'm ordering it now, but which coil do I need (no telling how old the existing one is)...

The accuspark website suggests either the 'Blue Sports Ballast Coil 1.5 Ohm' or the 'Red Sports Standard Coil 3 Ohm'
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UK_Sub
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United Kingdom
2555 Posts

Posted - 24 Jan 2022 :  14:44:45 Show Profile Reply with Quote
Apparently it all depends on whether I've got a ballst fitted - which I don't think I have...

For Ballast – ACU10 (Blue)
For Non ballast ACU105 (Red)
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SAAB96L
V4 Mad

United Kingdom
501 Posts

Posted - 24 Jan 2022 :  16:11:45 Show Profile Reply with Quote
If it assists, I have fitted Accuspark to a few vehicles over the years all being non-ballast - hence you need the RED coil (ACU105) which is 3ohms. Four and Six cylinder engines (non ballasted) should always use a 3ohm coil as this works best with the dwell.

V8 engines should ideally use a 1.5ohm coil with a ballast resistor due to the narrow dwell band. A 1.5ohm coil recycles faster than a 3ohm coil and that's extremely important on 8x cylinders or more.

Regards.

Richard.
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Derek
V4 Guru

United Kingdom
2187 Posts

Posted - 25 Jan 2022 :  14:01:14 Show Profile Reply with Quote
Don't get confused. Bosch Red is 1.5 ohms and Bosch Blue is 3 ohm. Saab Black standard coil is 3 ohm and should work fine.
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SAAB96L
V4 Mad

United Kingdom
501 Posts

Posted - 25 Jan 2022 :  17:30:26 Show Profile Reply with Quote
We are not talking Bosch coils here, but Accuspark.

As Derek says, the Bosch blue coil is 3ohm whereas the Accuspark is red; conversely the the Bosch red is 1.5ohm and Accuspark is blue.

At the end of the day, as long as you use a decent 3ohm coil for your EI you will be fine. You may also wish to consider using a Viper 3ohm Resin Coil which has many advantages over standard coils: 1- not oil filled and no leaks; 2- vibration resistant which oil filled coils are susceptible; 3- resin coils are far less affected by engine bay heat soak compared to oil filled coils. Fortunately the 96 coil position is decently placed within the engine bay compared to some other marques.

IMHO, there is nothing wrong with the Bosch Blue which is usually fitted to these cars, it's an excellent product and far superior to many of its oil filled rivals. Purely down to personal choice.

Regards.

Richard.

Edited by - SAAB96L on 25 Jan 2022 18:53:49
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UK_Sub
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 25 Jan 2022 :  19:47:46 Show Profile Reply with Quote
Thanks for all the help.

I have accuspark fitted to my 95 (engine out at the moment), so when I couldn't get the dizzy to work properly in the 96, I just borrowed the dizzy out of the 95 - plugged it in and it fired straight away! I've not checked the timing properly yet - but for now it works as well as I need it to.
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melle
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United Kingdom
3830 Posts

Posted - 30 Jan 2022 :  20:40:39 Show Profile Reply with Quote
Wait, you got a 96 Simon?

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UK_Sub
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 30 Jan 2022 :  21:23:54 Show Profile Reply with Quote
I did!

It was one that lived locally to me - it had been off the road for 6 years, had it's engine checked over with Malbrad and the gearbox with a local company, all put back in and just needed a dizzy fitting and the last of the coolant pipes installing.

I should probably start a project thread for it - as I've got a couple of other questions about it...
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ratty
V4 Fanatic

United Kingdom
340 Posts

Posted - 30 Jan 2022 :  22:13:46 Show Profile Reply with Quote
As far as I understand it, Bosch coils, Black with ballast resistor for points ignition. Electronic go for Blue (027), made in Brazil, revving up to 6000 RPM. Over 6000 RPM fit Red Bosch.
I don't trust Accuspark electronic ign. system. They are ok for a lot of people but they can and do go wrong. Always at the wrong moment. For reliability, can't beat points and condensor. However I was after more so have bought 123+Bluetooth and Bosch Blue coil. Not cheap but I am after torque. Haven't fitted it yet. We will see.

nigel martin-oakley
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UK_Sub
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United Kingdom
2555 Posts

Posted - 31 Jan 2022 :  10:42:11 Show Profile Reply with Quote
How about fitting one of these?...

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christophe
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France
224 Posts

Posted - 31 Jan 2022 :  12:11:53 Show Profile Reply with Quote
Bosch blue and red coils are specifically designed for points ignition. I currently have a blue one one the 96. The red one is meant to be used with a 1.8 ohm resistor.
I've used them with good results on my classic cars. Never saw the need to change ignition systems on them as they never let me stranded and can be fixed witthin minutes. If you fry your Pertronix, the only thing you can do is calling AA.

Edited by - christophe on 31 Jan 2022 12:16:20
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ratty
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United Kingdom
340 Posts

Posted - 31 Jan 2022 :  12:34:08 Show Profile Reply with Quote
Yes Simon now you are talking. Supercharging is the way. I am looking at fitting a mini Eaton type. That is also where the 123 ignition will really come into it's own setting it all up on a rolling road. That won't be for a while though.

nigel martin-oakley
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melle
V4 Guru

United Kingdom
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Posted - 31 Jan 2022 :  12:38:06 Show Profile Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by christophe
If you fry your Pertronix, the only thing you can do is calling AA.
Or reinstall the points and condenser you cleverly kept in the glove box because you knew the Pertronix would inevitably die at some point. All joking aside, I know people who've had very good luck with even the cheapest of these systems, but I'm not one of them unfortunately. I've tried Pertronix and Aldon (I think) but both failed very quickly.

123 is an excellent and very cleverly designed (mappable) system, far superior to anything else on the market bar proper ignition ECUs with a TDC sensor (Megajolt etc.). In my personal experience a Bosch Hall conversion is a very reliable and affordable alternative to Pertronix/ Aldon/ Accuspark/ etc.: http://www.saabv4.com/index.php/project/hall-ignition/

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christophe
V4 Fanatic

France
224 Posts

Posted - 31 Jan 2022 :  13:20:53 Show Profile Reply with Quote
I've been using EDI ignition modules for quite some time now. They're robustly made and make the points last until 80000 km. In case of trouble, you just have a few wires to switch. You can also use a Cartier module coming from a Renault Supercinq.
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