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Woody
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 23 Jul 2011 :  16:43:12 Show Profile Reply with Quote
Richard is right. I believe around 1984. My seats came from Newark Auto-jumble about 12yrs ago. A pair in better condition recently went for £150 on ebay. My driver's seat has wear damage. Both came with the Recaro runners attached and they fit straight on the supports.
RECARO Model 621000 reclining seats for driver and passenger with integral head rest which first appeared around 1974/5, and are shown in ammendment sheets for the FIA papers for the 96 V4. see item C in last pic below.
The seat supports are the sport & rally items, though can be copied. I made two sets in 1994 and AlexW has them in his cars now.






Edited by - Woody on 16 Oct 2015 17:57:10
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john-saab
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Posted - 23 Jul 2011 :  17:59:49 Show Profile Reply with Quote
They look great but the seats I have been offered are similar to the ones in your earlier picture..


current V4 models..'72 95 (The Flying Banana),'72 96 (Bridget),'74 95 (Veronica),'74 96 (The Brown one)NOW SOLD..destined for greater things
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Woody
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Posted - 23 Jul 2011 :  21:56:35 Show Profile Reply with Quote
Extract from my vehicle recognition sheet prepared for my Insurers:-
Front Seats : Alternative 1 - RECARO Ideal Model 130000 bucket and Model 140000 recliner seats and SS&R seat supports and headrests – (10710; 10728; 10736, 11551). Optional RECARO Ideal Model 130000 driver’s bucket and headrest (14506; 11551)
Alternative 2 - RECARO Model 621000 reclining seats for driver and passenger with integral head rest. SS&R seat supports. (14779; 10736) (Black check/grey)

The bucket seat is alternative 1 : Recaro Ideal model 130000, fibre-glass bucket with ventilated leatherette and black corduroy cloth base and back rest (mine faded to brown). The passenger seat is a model 140000 reclining seat made of the same material. These used by Saab up to 1972 when the ventilated leatherette was replaced by smooth. I had these in my rally car and subsequent V4s up to the eighties. The early recliner was a suicide seat as when the button was pressed it would drop to horizontal if weight was maintained. It would only go to the upright position which made access to the rear difficult without shunting the seat forward on its runners.
I put the later grey/black ones in because they tip properly and access to the rear is made easy.







Edited by - Woody on 03 Aug 2011 00:14:17
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Woody
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 24 Jul 2011 :  15:37:41 Show Profile Reply with Quote
Sump guard plate has gone on today.


Edited by - Woody on 05 Apr 2015 21:37:31
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Woody
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 02 Aug 2011 :  00:29:41 Show Profile Reply with Quote
An update:-
Spent a certain amount of time messing with the exhaust components. My original Gp2 headers have rusted solid at the lower end. The left hand pipe can be installed from underneath, but the right hand pipe cannot get past the brake servo without removing all the coolant piping. Toying with having new short flared pieces made so originals can be cut and welded. The rest of the exhaust Y-section back has rotted but solid enough to make measurements from. I have second Y-section form the early system, which I was told was made by Janspeed. The headers for this need repairs also - the items with brackets attached to secure to the bell-housing, which was supposed to cut down on resonance. I have evidence that the Competitions Dept did the same. (more after photos)




Have also utilised salvaged 2" pipe of LDV Ambulances to make a partial rear pipe having cut and formed a 15degree bend in it and welded it up. Have another salvaged pipe to make up rear section. This I might add is to provide a rear pipe which fits straight into the later single port Y-section that I don't have headers for. Note:- the large connecting pipe on the standard front silencer has the same dimensions and fits straight into the singleport Y-section. It is slightly larger than 2".
I have also acquired some components from Jetex, namely rear silencer and rear pipe. I also had a midi silencer, two 1m pipes and some 90 degree bends, the latter with a view to making some new headers. Probably beyond my capabilities, but I shall have a go.
I shall post some pics but I was stunned at the cost of the Jetex/Simons silencer for the V4 system. Especially when you compare it to a Midi silencer.
I really planned to put a small centre silencer in, but this was out of stock. The midi silencer already mentioned could be adapted as a rear silencer.
The oval silencer that they do could also be adapted as a rear silencer - single/dual port style.

Edited by - Woody on 02 Aug 2011 00:48:08
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Woody
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 02 Aug 2011 :  21:16:13 Show Profile Reply with Quote
Top = Jetex/Simons silencer from the V4 system
middle = Simons Universal Midi silencer
bottom = SS&R Rear Silencer p/n EDIT 13136 not 10322 (2" ID)(from 10918 rally system)

It may be hard to believe but there is £73 price difference between the top two.


Edited by - Woody on 04 Sep 2011 10:19:31
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john wyatt
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Posted - 03 Aug 2011 :  08:04:55 Show Profile Reply with Quote
Is the SAAB item heavier steel? , I am sure there used to be complaints about the jetex rotting quickly, I had one on DHS and it seemed to last well
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GeoffC
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 04 Aug 2011 :  12:13:16 Show Profile Reply with Quote
If you want somebody to fabricate those competition downpipes I can recommend Jonathon Twynham from Station Motor Sport, Market Harborough. www.station-motorsport.co.uk/contact.htm

He did a fantastic job of fabricating a new pipe for my Sonett as I wanted to keep the twin pipes. He was going to put Jetex back boxes on but found some others which look good quality but not sure who makes them. Cost a little bit more than the Jetex system but I would have had to shorten and modify that so it worked out excellent value.

I was also fed up with the downpipes cracking so we are trying the two flexible joints as shown to see if that eliminates the problem - so far so good.





Sounds good too although maybe I should have inserted the centre mufflers to quieten it a bit more!
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Woody
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 04 Aug 2011 :  14:05:31 Show Profile Reply with Quote
I have experience of Gran Fabrications, Cinderhill, Nottm in the past. They have copied the old 10918 system in stainless for a friend - (the system is still going strong after 20 yrs) They also made the exhausts for Beechdales' rally cars. I may go to them for copies in single port size of the headers.
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john-saab
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Posted - 04 Aug 2011 :  14:48:32 Show Profile Reply with Quote
Geoff..if it's too loud you still could fit center silencers..fit some in the middle the same as the Jetex system (the long thin tubes).. you can pick them up seperatly or buy the cheaper "Cherry bomb" silencers..about £40 each!

current V4 models..'72 95 (The Flying Banana),'72 96 (Bridget),'74 95 (Veronica),'74 96 (The Brown one)NOW SOLD..destined for greater things

Edited by - john-saab on 04 Aug 2011 14:51:46
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Woody
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 04 Aug 2011 :  15:24:03 Show Profile Reply with Quote
Jetex have the small bomb type on their list. Out of stock when I got my bits.
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john-saab
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Posted - 04 Aug 2011 :  16:11:15 Show Profile Reply with Quote
We have one in the workshop..almost new (owner wanted a standard system fitted after when he bought the car)..came off a TR2..it's 2inch and stainless steel but I can't remember the length..i'm sure it's the same as the one Jetex offer with the 96 kit (it's made by Phoenix so hand made and slightly narrower than the Jetex)..no good for Geoff unless he finds another but might be of use to you Woody? If you are interested I could ask the owner what he want's for it.

current V4 models..'72 95 (The Flying Banana),'72 96 (Bridget),'74 95 (Veronica),'74 96 (The Brown one)NOW SOLD..destined for greater things
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GeoffC
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 04 Aug 2011 :  16:53:24 Show Profile Reply with Quote
I was originally going to fit those in the centre and then thought they probably don't do a lot so left them out. It's OK for normal driving, great for track days but a bit wearing on the ears at MWay crusing speeds. Don't do much of that so will pprobably leave it as is but thanks for the suggestions.
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Woody
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United Kingdom
2373 Posts

Posted - 04 Sep 2011 :  21:33:34 Show Profile Reply with Quote
Some recent developments: pics tel the story.... The last two pics are for John Wyatt. Granted the heads aren't locked down yet but when they are the manifold will sit down just a little more.










Edited by - Woody on 04 Sep 2011 21:47:00
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john wyatt
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United Kingdom
1030 Posts

Posted - 05 Sep 2011 :  08:48:26 Show Profile Reply with Quote
Cheers Woody, the step you have from head to manifold looks about the same as I have, not seen Gareths yet, his car originally had a c&t, so the Saab set up will be new to it, will get a photo
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